Fatal Illusion

From Fatal Illusion by Greg Boyd

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June 6, 2017

How do Biblical prophecies fit into the “free-will understanding of the created order”? Aren’t those “pre-determined” events and relationships? How can we reconcile that without the fatalist perspective?

June 11, 2017

One passage on your question helped me, Erin. In Matt 19, Jesus told the 12 – which means Judas Iscariot too – that they would be given 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His coming Kingdom. When Judas made his final choices, he obviously forfeited this assigned privilege. So what did that make Jesus – a false prophet? I was devastated by the possibility. When I asked the Lord about this, He answered that Jesus had not predestined Judas to that position; rather Jesus had informed them that it was His Father’s will for them. Prophecies can be predetermined, where God says, “I will do ___” or contingent, such as when Jesus will return (2 Peter 3) where God tells us that we can “hasten that Day.” Hope this helps.

June 13, 2017

So does Philippians 4:11-13 lend itself to a “que sera sera”, fatalistic perspecitve? That we just accept what comes/happens to us? How do these verses align with our directive to pray for and intercede and ask God for things according to His will?

June 18, 2017

Love ya Greg! If you can’t SHOW the movie clips, then PLEASE just give a quick description of each one after you play it because we have NO IDEA what you guys just saw, since we are watching the podcast! Also- tell the video staff that the abbrev. of Deuteronomy is DEUT or DT, NOT DUET!! (See first 5 minutes of the Bruce Almighty sermon). Sorry I’m particular on that kind of stuff! -David Vancelette

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This is our first week of the new sermon series, Moving Pictures. In this series we will look at different movies that show a particular theology. This week we were entertained with the film, Bruce Almighty, a film which highlights the question of free-will. Greg takes us through the illusion of fatalism. The foundation of fatalism (also understood as determinism and/or Calvinism) suggests the world and all its happenings are determined. All that unfolds, including all suffering, is a result of fate, a pre-determined destiny of events established by God. But, there is a different way of understanding the world and God’s relationship to the created order. God created a world with free-will; where humans have the capacity to freely choose life or choose death. God is a relational God and longs for relationship with humans who freely choose love. With the free-will understanding of the created order we discover God is not the author of all that unfolds in the world, but that humans play an integral role in what comes to pass.