From Our Anabaptist Thread by Greg Boyd
Dear Greg the shepherd/pastor. :) Thanks so much for showing us what it looks like to love our enemies and become more like our Father in Heaven. We are learning how to be a witness for Christ. We need to see it in order to move towards it and this sermon helped a lot! We also need to hear tough things like “Christ is not your Savior unless he’s also your Lord” and we need to know how central these things are in scripture. Thanks for all the scripture you used in this sermon. It helps us learn to become Doers of the Word – not hearers only. Be encouraged. We are becoming less of an institutional church – more family. Praise God!
thank you Greg, and thank you Woodland Hills. I’ve been a Christian for only a few years, and the notion of justified violence and Christianity was a stumbling block for me, I could not reconcile the two, there was some cognitive dissonance happening, especially when I tried to elaborate my postion/ thoughts to my 20-something year-old son – I really didn’t know WHAT to believe… this is a common and repeating theme for Greg, especially through the Cross & the Sword series and in his books “Myth of a Christian Religion” and “Myth of a Christian Nation”, as well as Bruxey Cavey’s “End of Religion” – thank you thank you thank you for driving this point home – that the New Testament IS unequivocal about loving one’s enemies and NEVER resorting to violence, even when it’s “justified”! and the reward is the Kingdom and the peace which passes all understanding!
Just wanted to add this to my note to Greg above: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM9ua8vYsPk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
What, if any, are the differences between the Anabaptists and the Primitive Baptists?
Any chance you could post that writing you referred to on the radically non-violent interpretation of the book of revelation?
Also, my wife and I noticed in watching your podcast, the Q’s in your Q&A are decidedly more thoughtful than what we usually get in our Q&A portion (10+ years @ TMH)
Hypothesis: TMH is very seeker oriented, hence, more basic questions.
WHC has a more mature christian base, therefore much more deeply theological/thoughtful questions.
The only other possibility, as I see it, is that my American brothers and sisters are more thoughtful than my Canadian ones… so I’m seeking alternative theories ;)
Thanks so much to Teresa and Robert for the encouraging words. Always cool to hear how far-reaching the ministry is.
Kevin, at least for your question, It’s hard to beat the information found on wikipedia:
Will, my only hypothesis is that there are a good many people attracted to this church because they’re theology-geeks (affectionate term) and this church always has plenty for them to chew on and wrestle with.
We sometimes forget that we have a few pastors here that are crazy smart, and that makes for some deeper, more stimulating conversations (and questions) as the scope of what we cover continues to grow.
However, as someone that went to bible college in Canada, I could never conclude a lower level of thoughtfulness to our neighbors to the north!
Hey Will — unfortunately the writing Greg referred to is a portion of a book he’s working on, so he can’t share that publicly. However, I asked him and Paul Eddy, our Teaching Pastor, about some book recommendations. Here are some they thought could be helpful if you’re interested in learning more about a non-violent interpretation of Revelation:
These first two are probably the most non-academic:
Most Revealing Book of the Bible: Making Sense Out of Revelation, by Vernard Eller – http://amzn.com/0802815723
The Theology of the Book of Revelation, by Richard Bauckham – http://amzn.com/0521356911
And these are good, but perhaps quite dense. And from what I could tell, expensive! :)
Climax of Prophecy: Studies on the Book of Revelation (chapters 6,7,8), by Richard Bauckham – http://amzn.com/0567086259
Lamb Christology of the Apocalypse of John: An Investigation into Its Origins & Rhetorical Force, by Loren L. Johns – http://amzn.com/316148164X
Saving God’s Reputation: The Theological Function of Pistis Iesou in the Cosmic Narratives of Revelation, by Sigve K. Tonstad – http://amzn.com/0567044947
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The teachings of the Anabaptist church are important to Woodland Hills Church. In this sermon, Greg talks about four of the six distinctive teachings of the Anabaptist movement (next week will cover the last two), and they are still relevant today.
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