Crazy Love

From Crazy Love by Greg Boyd

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April 4, 2013

Such fresh air!

April 5, 2013

I love the comment about the Easter story being an instance in which God reaches down and scoops up humanity and says “You’re coming with me!” A very insightful, original and fresh idea. Thank you.

April 8, 2013

At 11:45 Greg says “He stood in the place of everyone”

Isn’t that the ‘substitutionary’ view of the atonement?
I thought we were not to look at it that way?

April 8, 2013

Kevin,

Whether we see it as a Punitive Substitution, Vicarious Sacrifice, some kind of Governmental Atonement Theory or a combination of all of these, without “The Cross”, we are without “The Resurrection”! …and without His Resurrection, well then……..we ain’t got squat! I think it’s safe to see it as “God’s Supreme Act of Love” on his part, designed to bring us back fully to himself.

April 8, 2013

Thanks Dave; good point!

April 8, 2013

Kevin,

I, along with Greg, hold the christus victor view of the atonement. It is quite different from the penal substitution theory, but is still able to confirm that Jesus died in our place. Here is an excerpt from one of Greg’s essays on the matter. “In the Christus Victor view, Jesus died as our substitute and bore our sin and guilt by voluntarily experiencing the full force of the rebel kingdom we have all allowed to reign on the earth. To save us, he experienced the full consequences of sin that we otherwise would have experienced. In so doing, he broke open the gates of hell, destroyed the power of sin, erased the law that stood against us, and thereby freed us to receive the Holy Spirit and walk in right relatedness with God.” I believe this is what he means by saying Jesus stood in the place of everyone!

April 9, 2013

One of the issues to arise from the Atonement is that you will have some saying that Christ only died for the elect….which is, in part, true, but then the victory at the cross is not complete….He hasn’t died for the sin of the whole world. However, if He has, does that mean all men are saved?
The answer lies in that all who are “in Adam” (all mankind) are dead….but it will only be those “in Christ” who will be raised on the last day. I found the following booklet (free to download) to be helpful:-
http://www.newcreation.org.au/books/pdf/167_SavingWorkChrist.pdf

April 9, 2013

I think the elect is anyone who chooses to truly accept Christ. To say you accept Christ and to really “truly accept Christ’ are two different things. If you truly accept Christ you want nothing more then to become like him, even if we fall short of that time and time again. But, regardless of falling short of it, it is still our number one goal and therefore hopefully we are improving towards that goal.

April 10, 2013

Thanks for this message, Greg. You nailed it! God has indeed included everyone in Christ. It is finished! God has fulfilled His purpose to reconcile all things to Himself in Christ. As you say, the “all” that are in Adam (which is everyone) is the same “all” that God has included in Christ. God is no respecter of persons and doesn’t leave anyone out of His love and work in Christ. Now He is calling us all to believe Him and come to Christ for Life and to enter into His “rest”. This isn’t “universalism” (all will ultimately be saved), so don’t compromise! Keep preaching this GREAT News!

April 14, 2013

I tweeted this. I pray that even one person listens and hears.

April 16, 2013

@Peter…..yes, and my current pastor changes one very important preposition in 1 Timothy 4:10 that makes the verse read entirely different. The verse says “…..He is the savior OF all people…” my friend says ‘He is the savior FOR all people’. Of six translations, all say OF.
aargh

April 16, 2013

@Austin…….that clarifies things quite a bit. I think the “Ransom” view is very close, right?

April 16, 2013

In a nutshell, as greg pointed out in a recent message, Jesus was the first jew to fulfill God’s promise that, through israel, ALL the world would be blessed. Let us be imitators of Christ! Maybe during the time when Jesus comes and establishes his New Jerusalem, we the Elect, will go out to the nations, and in power, continue Jesus’ work of saving All mankind!
Does this make sense to anyone?

April 25, 2013

WONDERFUL!!! Thank you Woodland Hills and Greg for sharing this beautiful and clear perspective on the whole of life! This is truly transforming.

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