Summer Q&A (June 2013)

From Summer Q&A (June 2013) by Greg Boyd, Paul Eddy

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June 30, 2013

I like your answer to the question on homosexuality at 20min. Yet, would you allowa someone who lives in a homosexual relationship to be an active part of your ministry on stage. eg. leading worship or even teaching? I think if don’t fully integrate people, we still make people categories, or at least distinguish between bad and not so bad sins.

July 1, 2013

Well going down that line of thought is a slippery slope. I realize that Paul is not Jesus but he wrote in 1 Cor 5:9-11 (NIV) “I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” In my Mennonite upbringing I have seen that verse misused to the point that any disagreements were cause for separation. Gal 6:1 Paul talks about how those who are “spiritual” should restore the fallen. Our goal in the Kingdom of God should be to call people up out of the pit into a life of wholeness. We have to be willing to enter the wounds of peoples lives find the source of the pain and speak healing into their hearts. They will always have scars like all of us do. But our scars should be proof of our Fathers amazing grace not a reason for disqualification. Scars are a part of our testimony and its an integral part of how we overcome. They say what we were but not who we are!!

July 1, 2013

Nicholas,

Two things, no three. How do you know that this is not already the case at WHC and why would that need to be made publically important? As an external “Podrishioner” of Woodland Hills, I have been totally inspired and spiritually encouraged and pumped-up by both Greg and Paul’s teachings. Personally, I could absolutely care less whether they or anyone else on the Ministry Team there is Gay, Straight, Bi, Transgender or Otherwise – it makes no difference to me whatsoever and is completely irrelevant.
The third thing is, that these incessant “Between a rock and hard place” kind of questions, designed to entrap or catch people out in a contradiction of their faith, are about as creatively concrete as warm Jell-O! So, pleeeeeeaasssse!

Ya know, years ago while at Art School, I was invited to Church and a Bible Study by someone who was “Transgender”. There, I heard the Gospel clearly for the first time and later gave my life to Christ. Now, years later in retrospect, I Thank God, Praise God for them and for the fact that they were there for me and actually took the time to share what was in their heart and point me in the right direction!
So perhaps the better question would have been – “Does ones sexual orientation have anything to do with the sincere delivery of the Gospel?”

Honestly, what would you have them do – Start listing the sexual orientation of those leading Prayer & Discussion groups? As if…….!!!! Sorry if I come across a bit aggressive here Bro, but I love You in the Lord and “Gay” people too, and that ain’t never gonna change!!!!

Shalom

July 25, 2013

“The Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” John 1:17

The Law is easily understood. It is simple but ruthless. It can only condemn. The simplicity of the Law means that simple people wield it ruthlessly. The church at large has swung that battle axe for ages.

But truth+grace is dynamic. Truth+grace can still tell the difference between right and wrong without destroying the person in whom both extremes of morality are raging. Truth+grace says “I do not condemn you. Go and sin no more.”

I sincerely applaud the way WH is dealing openly with the topic of homosexuality–its high time the Church drops the battle axe of the Law and starts offering the true Gospel. But then again, the Gospel isn’t for everyone. Even Jesus said, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate… even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.” In other words, Jesus has nothing for me until he is everything to me. If a person doesn’t want righteousness more than anything else, Jesus can’t help them. The Church must not re-define righteousness to include anything a person wants to do or be.

Let me put it in personal terms: I have struggled with addiction to pornography since adolescence. But through all the years, I have never lost the understanding that porn is sinful and destructive. The Spirit of God is always calling me out of my addiction. I know I am saved by Jesus because I still know what purity is and I want to be pure, not because my behavior is always pure (1 John 3:3). Grace is working with truth to call me out. By itself, the Law condemns, leaving me hopeless. I need grace, but it has to be fused with truth or I have no impetus to change and I am left in my destructive sin.

Greg said it in the message today, “Sometimes in order to ascribe worth to people you have to protect them from themselves.” It is not love to accept a person’s disordered behavior just because they think its OK. If a person is determined to live in a disordered way, Jesus responds like he did to the rich young ruler–he lets him walk away. He didn’t chase after him–not to condemn nor to plead. Neither did the father chase after his son in the parable of the Prodigal. But he did watch and wait eagerly for his son’s repentant return. How often did Jesus say, “If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear”? And as Oswald Chambers points out, whenever Jesus spoke of discipleship, it was always prefaced with an “if”. There is no compulsion with Jesus, but he doesn’t water down the truth either.

You cannot force a person to want righteousness. But it is a mistake to re-define righteousness to make it more inclusive. Salvation begins with wanting righteousness and not wanting sin. The free gift of Jesus is what converts my desire for righteousness into actual righteousness. But if I decide to just accept sin and call it righteousness, I’ve got a big problem. I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m not saved–where sin abounds, grace abounds even more–but I’ve got a BIG problem!

I believe our stance toward those caught in the sin of homosexuality ought to be the same as it is for every sinner. The image is that of Jesus as he approached Jerusalem (Luke 19:41-42). We need to hold out our arms, with tears of anguished love in our eyes, saying, “Come and find the things that make for peace.”

August 4, 2013

I have always been taught we would have new bodies when we arrive in heaven. God is omnipresent- will we be a force of energy and be able to ‘fly’ to and fro, not having a body as we know a body to be?

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  • Summer Q&A (June 2013)
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  • June 16, 2013

During our weekend services on June 22-23 we hosted Q&A sessions with Greg Boyd, our Senior Pastor, and Paul Eddy, our Teaching Pastor. We included all three services, so enjoy listening to ALL the answers.