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The Chosen Few

• Greg Boyd

In this week of the Loose Ends sermon series Greg looks at the Parable of the Wedding Banquet. He shares some general principles for understanding parables and addresses common misconceptions. Here we see that God is not like a violent, unjust king, but rather a God who lovingly invites all to a banquet he graciously prepares. wh-bug

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Topics: Hell, Kingdom of God

Sermon Series: Loose Ends


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  1. Mike says:

    Just another example of Greg picking and choosing and twisting Scripture into what he wants, in order to try to mold God into the image Greg thinks He should fit. Warm and fuzzy love, with no tough love. An image which includes no violence on God’s part. Greg is forced to do this because Greg has decided that all violence is evil; therefore, Greg’s god cannot be allowed to ever use violence. Never mind that this involves reinterpreting most of the Bible. Greg is willing to do that. Greg is, apparently, unable to comprehend what most believers seem to understand…..that God uses whatever method He deems appropriate to accomplish His will, and that, if that includes violence (think Flood, for starters), then it’s righteous violence, even if that doesn’t seem right to Greg Boyd. That doesn’t mean that WE can use violence in the same way, to accomplish our will. We’re not God. There are things He does that are righteous acts for Him, since He is God, but would not be right for us, because we are NOT God. We don’t understand the whole picture, or always understand why God chose violence in some situations. But, Scripture is clear……..God often used violent tactics. God even told some of the prophets, “I’m going to do this violence in a way that everyone will KNOW that it is ME doing it.” These are prophets who are speaking under the influence of God’s Spirit. God sees the big picture, and He knows that His violence in some situations is something that He is doing to work everything together for good. It may not look like it to us, because we can only see a small piece of the puzzle. We just need to trust that God knows what He’s doing. As far as eternal punishment goes……everything having to do with God is eternal. Separation from Him is eternal. For Greg to say that, if punishment is eternal, that means God “enjoys” watching people suffer is ridiculous. Where in Scripture does it say that God “enjoys” watching people suffer? It doesn’t. This is something Greg says to try to make God look bad for allowing people to spend eternity apart from Him if they reject Him. Greg needs to check himself when he’s tempted to frame God in this light. Revelation tells us that, for those in the lake of fire, the smoke of the torment of their punishment goes up forever, and there is no rest for them, day or night. When we reject Christ, we reject Him for eternity, and for eternity we suffer the consequences of that rejection. But, we know, that He is not willing that ANY should perish, because He loves the world. So to say that God “enjoys” the consequences people suffer for rejecting Him is ludicrous.

    1. Kevin S says:

      @Mike
      When you say, “..But, Scripture is clear”; would you please clarify that remark? In my book, scripture is by no means ‘clear’.

  2. Mike says:

    Jesus was the exact representation of the Father. He said, “when you see me, you see the Father”. So, lets look at, and listen to, Jesus. He showed love to people through His words and actions, and we should do the same. He also warned people, on numerous occasions, that if they rejected Him, they would face eternal punishment. We should do the same. That is the loving thing to do. If you know someone is on a road that leads to destruction, and you don’t warn them, well, how loving is THAT? Greg would like to ignore these words of Jesus because they aren’t all warm and fuzzy. We can’t do that, though. If we are going to spread Jesus’ message to the world, we need to spread ALL of His message, and not leave out the part of His message that might make people hate us. Some folks only need to hear of God’s love for them, and they are ready to accept Him. Others are proud and arrogant, and need to hear of God’s judgment, as well as His love. Jesus warned His followers that some of the world would hate them, just like they hated Him. And why did they hate Jesus? Because he warned them that their unrepentant hearts would result in their eternal punishment. The only reason Jesus only TALKED about the violent judgment to come, and didn’t SHOW any of that violent judgment, wasn’t because God never engages in violent acts, or that this violent judgment doesn’t exist. It was because, as He told us, He hadn’t come to judge. That wasn’t His purpose for coming to Earth. But, when He said that, He also pointed out that the day of judgment WAS coming. Then, He took that judgment upon Himself, by dying for us, and offered escape from that judgment for all those who would only believe. But for those who reject Him, the wrath of God abides on them, according to Scripture.

  3. kevin says:

    @Mike; you said, “But, Scripture is clear…”. Would you clarify that remark please because, to me, scripture is Not ‘clear’ at all.

  4. Mike says:

    1. The Flood was a violent tactic used by God to kill people.
    2. Fire and brimstone rained down on Sodom & Gomorrah was a violent tactic used by God to kill people.
    3. The plagues on Egypt were violent.
    4. God gave Miriam leprosy in an instant
    5. God opened the Earth to swallow some Jewish rebels
    6. God struck down Annanias and Saphira for lying to the Holy Spirit
    There are more examples, but I suggest you read a little on your own. And, of course, there are multiple times where God uses people to do violent acts on His behalf. He tells them to do these things, and in many cases, speaking through the prophets, He tells everyone in advance that He is going to do violent things, and that He is going to do them directly, or through humans. These are not the misguided words of writers who don’t understand God. They are the words of God Himself, speaking through His Spirit in the prophets. God’s Spirit is not confused about who is doing these things. To be honest, it’s pretty much impossible to read the Bible and not see that God uses violence, at times, to accomplish His purposes. His purposes are always good and just, though, even if, sometimes, we can’t understand how they could be. This is where we need to take that extra step of faith in God’s goodness and love, and just trust that everything He does is for the good of His kingdom. Instead of trying to mold God into the way WE think He should be (all warm and fuzzy, with no justice and no tough love and no violence), we need to just trust His goodness in all situations. His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Things that would be wrong for us to do, God can be justified in doing, because He is God and we are not.
    We see often in the OT what God’s judment against sin looks like. It’s hard to watch. Then we see it again on the cross, where His judgment intersects with His grace. It’s hard to watch there as well. Now His grace has been shown to all, through Christ, and He patiently waits for all to accept His grace and love. The time will come, though, as both Jesus, Paul and John tell us, that those who reject God’s grace will face God’s judgment (Revelation), and once again, it will be hard to watch.

    1. kevin says:

      have yet to read boyd’s book ‘crucifixion of the warrior God’; guess i better read that to get the scope of his position before i pass judgement on him.

  5. Denny says:

    Wow, Mike. Catching up on sermons I missed while out of town, I was really stunned by some of your comments. While I feel that you are totally within your right to express your opinion, make your point (scripture references/cross references would be good), differ in your ideas, but really, how helpful to anyone is it for you to be so make statements like the following, none of which are entirely true and are directed at the person, not the belief held?

    Quoted from Mike’s comments above:
    “An image which includes no violence on God’s part. Greg is forced to do this because Greg has decided that all violence is evil; therefore, Greg’s god cannot be allowed to ever use violence. Never mind that this involves reinterpreting most of the Bible. Greg is willing to do that. Greg is, apparently, unable to comprehend what most believers seem to understand

    “Greg would like to ignore these words of Jesus because they aren’t all warm and fuzzy.” “This is something Greg says to try to make God look bad for allowing people to spend eternity apart from Him if they reject Him.”

    Mike, many of your comments sound bitter and hateful. In the future when expressing your thoughts, disagreeing, or making your point, please do so with kindness, respect, and love.

    Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)
    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Wishing you much love and peace as a child of God!

  6. Mike says:

    You are correct. Although I hate the fact that, in my opinion, Scripture is being misused and misinterpreted by someone who has influence over many people, and is responsible for teaching them who the Bible says God is, I still need to express myself in a more loving manner, without making judgments on the individual himself. Your rebuke is accepted.

  7. Chris says:

    Hi all. This is my first post. I’m kind of new here, and I usually just read the posts to get further insights into a particular sermon. What prompts me to submit this post is the interactions I came across above.
    I was captivated by Mikes posts. I somewhat follow Greg’s teachings and receive many helpful insights from him, so when I read Mikes posts I was somewhat taken aback by the blatant negativity of the comments, as well as the fact that they were allowed to remain here.
    However, as I continued to follow the flow, I was pleasantly refreshed by Denny and Mike’s discourse.
    I don’t know if Denny and Mike actually know each other; if so, kudos to both of you. If not, Double kudos. You have demonstrated to myself, as well as anyone else who happens upon this post, how to disagree with dignity. I salute you both.

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