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Creation Matters: En Garde

• Greg Boyd

The Bible can seem to conflict itself depending on how it’s being interpreted, but what if the conflict isn’t with the Bible at all? For example, the story of creation often results in conflicting views and beliefs among people. But what if the conflict isn’t with the story itself, and is instead found in what lies behind the story – the very conflict we are to be standing with God against? wh-bug

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Topics: Creation, Problem of Evil


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6 thoughts on “Creation Matters: En Garde

  1. markw says:

    This doesn’t conflict much with Greg’s insightful sermon… but I wonder if the six days of creation is an account of God restoring the earth after the affects of an ice age.

    Here is the argument for this, by restating Gen 1:1-19

    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens (including the sun and stars) and earth.

    2 The earth became formless, or formed by the ice, as it lost its intended form. It became empty of animals and whatever types of humans there may have been living in those times because of the ice age. Darkness was over the surface of the deep water and ice. The darkness was a result of the sun being blocked out by the action of volcanoes, and/or by meteorites hitting earth. There was too much atmospheric dust blocking the sun and its light and warmth.

    3 And God said let there be light and warmth, or let there be a reduction in the atmospheric dust. The sun is not yet fully seen here. Notice the repeated mention of the problems of darkness and (frozen) water in these early verses of Genesis.

    5 God called the light “day” and the darkness He called “night”, because there was a sun, although it was not completely visible as it was intended to be. There was an evening and morning because there was a sun.

    6 And God said let there be sky between the waters, between the oceans (and melting ice) and also the clouds. (Something had perhaps restricted the clouds from giving rain in this ice age.)

    9 And God said let the water be gathered to one place, because the water (ice) had gathered over much of earth in a way not intended by God.

    10 God called the dry ground “land”. Notice the mention of DRY ground, which had been flooded because of the melting ice.

    11 Then God said let the land no longer be empty, or let it produce vegetation.

    13 And there was evening and morning…hello! Another rather strong hint that there was a sun.

    14 And let the lights of the sky be more fully revealed, and let them more clearly separate the day and night.

    16 And God revealed the sun and moon and stars and even some of the planets of the solar system could now perhaps be seen. The atmospheric dust had been driven away perhaps partly by the rain which God enabled in verse 6.

    19 And there was evening and morning. But now one could see the sun in its full glory, with stars and planets.

    I am assuming God didn’t forget science when the Bible was written, but I also appreciate Greg’s arguments (mostly from other sermons) that God was speaking to people according to their level of scientific understanding, which was little in those days.

    God bless!

  2. Dave Pritchard says:

    The Silmarillion has a cool creation story as well!

  3. Manny C says:

    This topic of evil in creation was a really difficult topic for me to reconcile with my faith for two years. The “Warfare Worldview” changed that radically, but I still needed to figure out how this would make sense of the Genesis 1 creation account.

    Wrote some blog posts on this topic about a year ago, and a fair amount of the background information was taken from Greg’s book “God at War”, hence a lot of the same points he’s talking about here: http://wordframedworld.com/2014/02/19/a-problem-for-theistic-evolution-pt-1/

  4. Peter Brock says:

    Enlightening “Creation’ series for the X’ers and Millennials, to be sure. However, parallel to the foundational and sound precedents from George Pember, Robert Govett, George Lang and the late 19th/early 20th Century prophetical giants… (See Pember’s ‘Great Prophecies…’ series, ‘Earth’s Earliest Ages’, et al…)

    Many thanks.

  5. Daniel says:

    I find this sermon quite well put, except for the fact that it seems to put Satan’s fall before the creation of Eden, but in Ezekiel’s depiction of Lucifer, he is in the garden of Eden! I know Ezekiel was talking about the king of Tyre but almost all scholars agree the way he was speaking was about something/someone else. I would appreciate if someone would clarify how that could be reconciled with Greg’s view on this subject.

  6. Denley McIntosh says:

    Hi Mark,

    I think The Creation story is more about God than us (while Genesis 2 has the focus on us humans). I would suggest the days are His days than our days. The days are literal for God in His work and rest as He renovated the cosmos/earth to be His temple, dwelling place. He infuses our creation with a similar pattern. However, experientially, we cannot say that God’s days are the same as ours. No different than human days being experientially or materially different from dog days.

    The literary structure of the Genesis 1 passage serves as mnemonic in its poetic form for the ancient people. Nevertheless, the Genesis 1 account is a literal chronology as it is God that is working.

    That’s what I see in principle is taking place.

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