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God Look-Alikes

• Greg Boyd

We were created in God’s image, to represent Him on Earth. In ancient times, people would make statues to represent their gods, but we were commanded to represent God, not make statues. In this sermon, Greg talks about our value as God’s image and the role we play in this world. wh-bug

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Topics: Identity in Christ, Love, Presence of God


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11 thoughts on “God Look-Alikes

  1. Edward says:

    Greg ends up saying that Jesus shows us that humanity is meant for:

    1) Full, sin-free life
    2) Exhibiting godly authority
    3) Unending capacity for love

    I think what Greg was saying was true, yet a bit incomplete. One of the main ways that we image God is our relationship to the Spirit of God. Remember, biblically, an aspect of human reality is the very Breath of God, not just the cosmic dust that is our universe and our composition. In other words, the Holy Spirit is a presupposition of human existence! Jesus shows us that, Via our relationship with the Spirit, the Uncreated God’s very love, joy, peace, and power can indwell within (and be experienced by) human individuality, empowering it’s full capacities. Jesus showed the human being to consciously be a “temple” of God’s very Presence. Hint: “The Transfiguration”. Humanity is MEANT to shine with the Presence of God.

    So…one more…Jesus shows us that humanity is created for:

    4) being a “dwelling-place” for God via the Spirit

  2. Edward says:

    Continuing thought. Remember this from the focus Scripture?

    “For God was pleased to have ALL HIS FULLNESS dwell in him…”

    The actual manner by which God’s “fullness” dwelled in Jesus humanity was by the Holy Spirit. Humanity is DESIGNED for this…which is why Paul can pray this in Ephesians 3:

    “For this reason,I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with power BY HIS SPIRIT in your inner being; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints the breadth, length, and depth. And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that you may be filled with ALL THE FULNESS OF GOD.”

    Again, this is another way humanity “images” God.

  3. kevin says:

    If Jesus is fully God and at the same time, fully human, then am I also fully God/fully human? partially God/fully human?

  4. Edward says:

    Ok.

    ONLYJesus Christ is fully God and fully human. Only Jesus is the Incarnate Son/Word/Logos of God that is “begotten of the Father before all worlds , Light of Light, very God of very God” and “being of one substance with the Father.” (Quoting the 4th Ecumenical Council). The Incarnate Son/Word/Logos is the ONLY PERSON about whom that statement is true. It is not true for any other beings, celestial or human.

    Now what is the case with us (human believers in Jesus who have the Trinity indwelling within and empowering us)? We are NOT fully God, but we can become fully human by being freed from our fallenness, by being filled with the Spirit. In other words, Jesus shows that the Holy Spirit is essential to the full display of humanity’s energy and capacities. Jesus, being God the Son/Word/Logos, has the Holy Spirit NATURALLY within his person, being of the same nature as the Father. (Remember the quotes above!) This continues even when God the Son/Word/Logos incarnates. Every other human being has the Holy Spirit BY GRACE within his person.

    So, recapping: ONLY Jesus is fully God, fully human. His believers, by faith through Grace, can be “full” of God, thereby fulfilling their humanity.

    Make sense?

  5. Edward says:

    While we are on the subject of Jesus being fully God and fully human…

    With all due respect to Greg, the kenotic view that Greg shares in the Q&A session of this message (approximate at 36:50 of the video) is highly problematic–and, to me, untenable–for multiple reasons…first of which is what I quoted above: the 4th Ecumenical Council, a Church council that is accepted by Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestants as being a genuine standard of right doctrine about the Trinity.

    Ask yourself: How can God the Son “give up” omniscience and omnipresence (both of which are NECESSARY aspects of his originating and sustaining Creation)…when it’s not HIS to give up in the first place? In other words, all of the divinity that God the Son has comes immediately and eternally from the uncreated God the Father. God the Son IS the personal reception of this self-giving from the Uncreated Father within the Trinity. This is unchangably how the relationship between the Father and the Son is, given the 4th Ecumenical Council. So how can God the Son willingly “give up” use or access to his God the Father-given uncreated, divine nature…when that actually circumscribes His very PERSONHOOD? How can the Incarnate Word/Son/Logos divest himself of omniscience and omnipresence…when he is unchangably “very God from very God” who is the perfect image/reflection of the unchangably omnipotent, omniscient, transcendent Father?

    That doesn’t make much sense, does it? Hmmm…

    Well, that’s only ONE thing that problematic. There are others. Mad love and respect to Greg…but I think he’s got some issues to consider with his current position. So, tread carefully concerning the kenotic view, my brothers and sisters. Perils and dangers there be…

  6. George says:

    If God can be God without knowing all things (omniscience) and without being present to all created realities (omnipresence), i.e., if (as Greg says) the only ‘necessary’ God-defining attribute is perfect love (character), and if WE shall be unfailingly loving once our characters are solidified in heaven (as Greg admits), then will our being perfectly loving THEN mean we shall have become ‘divine’? It seems to follow. If ‘perfect love’ is all that’s necessary to constituting ‘divine being’ (as Greg said) then once we love perfectly we’ll be divine. Surely there’s more to being ‘divine’ than being unfailingly loving.

  7. Mandy says:

    I don’t believe any of the Lords powers were withheld. He comes to each of us where we are.

  8. David W says:

    Here is an excerpt from part 3 of a 19 part study on “The Seven Spirits of God” by J. Preston Eby that may (or may not) add to the above replies. Here is a link to the full writing (of part 3). http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/7spirits/7spirits03.htm

    What Christ The Spirit Is…
    How often we try to channel in some of what God is into our lives. It’s as though God is outside of us, and we are endeavoring to draw from Him some of His virtue, nature, power and life. I once walked that route myself. I was always expecting that somehow the Lord would pour out upon me, or into me, what I needed. But one day I discovered an important truth in I Jn. 4:8: “God is love.” Suddenly the “is” stuck out. What dawned on me was something like this: It doesn’t say God has love, but God IS love. If somebody has a thing, then it isn’t he himself, its just something attached to him, as if you have a pair of shoes on, or some money in your pocket. You just have it, and you can share it. But the Bible doesn’t say God HAS love, but God IS love. Love, therefore, must not be a thing I can have, it is not something God has, that He can just give me a little of. Love is exclusively a PERSON. GOD is a PERSON. God IS LOVE. Therefore, there is no other pure, self-giving love anywhere in the universe apart from God Himself. Love is exclusively the nature and character of one Being in the whole universe – and that’s not me.

    This set an entirely new trend of understanding going in my life. Suddenly I began to see that I don’t have one iota of love, never have, and never will! God is love – period. No one else. I can only possess love, I can only become love, to the degree that I take the reality of God into me, to the degree that God HIMESLF is worked into my life! As I surrender to Him, I surrender to love. As I become filled with HIM, I become filled with love. I will never be able to love. HE is always love!

    Soon an entire new world began to open before me. I began to relate this principle to all those things which pertain to what I must become as a son of God. Suddenly another truth burst upon me from I Cor. 1:24 where it says that Christ “is the power of God.” Not Christ has the power, but He IS the power! Here too, I had thought power was something which God possessed, which He could “give” me some of, and receiving enough of it, I would become “God’s man of faith and power!” But now I knew that power also IS A PERSON. I am not power, I have no power. God does not have power, but Christ IS THE POWER OF GOD. Then I began to discover that God doesn’t “have” anything, but He IS EVERYTHING! He doesn’t “give” us anything, but He BECOMES EVERYTHING within us! Jesus said, “I AM the truth, I AM the life.” To Martha He said, “I AM the resurrection.” I thought the resurrection was a “day.” Now I see that the resurrection is a PERSON. I needed wisdom. I Cor. 1:30 tells me that Christ IS THE WISDOM of God. He is the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God.

    Finally I came to a statement which gathered all together and placed the capstone on the whole structure. The verse was Col 3:11, where it says of those who are in Christ that “Christ is all and in all.” Christ IS all, not Christ has all. And if Christ IS ALL, what am I? Not much, by the law of mathematics! Christ is ALL IN ALL! Then it really dawned upon me that the only reason for the existence of the entire creation is to CONTAIN and BECOME ONE with the Creator! All outside of that is meaningless. Outside of that is left only the sorry picture of man, and the creation, under the sentence of darkness, distintegration, and death. The Lord the Spirit is, indeed, the ALL-SUFFICIENT DOSE! Whatever I need to be a son of God, to fulfill my destiny in God, is mine, not by trying to “be” anything, not by struggling to “receive” anything, but by bending myself before HIM, the Lord the Spirit, who dwells within, that HE MAY BE ALL IN ALL IN ME! Praise His name!

    “Now the Lord is THE SPIRIT.” He is the Holy Spirit. He is the “Whole Spirit”. He is the completeness of the Spirit. He is the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, all the fullness of the Divine Spirit. The seven Spirits of God are simply the “wholeness” of HIMSELF completely and eternally revealed and manifested and ministered to the universe through that people who become HIS IMAGE before the creation.

  9. Gopher says:

    Get out of your head, Edward, and think/feel with your heart. And then you’ll grasp Greg’s meaning in regard to this particular question…

  10. lucio says:

    God ‘s lookalikes were Adam and one of his sons and Jesus Christ. But Jesus Christ is the very flesh of a God Being. God Being or God The Creator has three components or Holy Trinity which are the Soul, the Flesh and the Spirit of intellect in the Mind.

  11. lucio says:

    Jesus Christ is not only a flesh but He is really a personal appearance of God the Creator.

    kevin

    September 30, 2011

    If Jesus is fully God and at the same time, fully human, then am I also fully God/fully human? partially God/fully human?

    Yes. Human beings are all gods and goddesses as long as we are capable of commanding, but their is only one god, The Creator who is capable of commanding everything.

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